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Live-blogging the vice presidential debate

by M.M. McDermott | October 2, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Posted in biden, education, entertainment, environment, jobs, live blogging, money, palin, politics

Workers prepare the stage for the VP debate {AP Photo}
Workers prepare the stage for the VP debate {AP Photo}

I’ll be tap-tap-tapping away on the typer, live blogging the VP debate from my working man’s castle in North East Baltimore beginning at 9 p.m. EST.  Drink ‘em if you’ve got ‘em.  The rules are simple:

1. Every time Palin gives a response that sounds like it was run though a free online language translator, I’m going to have myself a sip of a crisp, refreshing adult beverage (from the Land of Pleasant Living).

2. Every time Biden harps on the Alaska governor’s lack of experience, I will also take a nip.

It’s a good old-fashioned debate party, friends, and you’re invited. But remember: the first rule of Debate Party is, you do not talk about Debate Party…without a beer in your hand.  Let the bloodletting begin.

Post Mortem:

A much friendlier debate than the presidential duel.  Biden and Palin had a surprising chemistry, jabbing at each other at times, but remaining relatively light–like George Burns and Gracie Allen.  I was impressed with Palin.  She managed to avoid the head-scratching Miss South Carolina style answers she tumbled out to Gibson and Couric.  She turned the homey persona up a notch to appeal to everyday Americans, and at times, it made her seem bumpkinish.  But she did what she needed to do: not embarrass herself and the McCain campaign.

Biden was poised, but trended a bit wonky for the average viewer. When he rambled on about the minutae of specific bills, the focus group approval graph dropped like a rock.  Biden did an excellent job of connecting McCain to the Bush administration at every turn.  And he made a noble effort to chip away at the maverick mantra Palin chanted throughout.

Overall, I walked away with a sense that questions were actually answered in this debate.  Deflection was kept to a minimum, and there was a degree of candor that was missing from the presidential debate.  Neither candidate really hurt their cause, and I present my sobriety as proof.

 

Debate Time:

10:31  Biden: In the last few years, “we’ve been dug into a very deep hole.” And then lots of God-blessing.

10:30 Palin: “We’re going to fight for America.”  Oh Lord, then the obligatory Reagan quote.

10:30 Closing statements…

10:28  Biden: I don’t question Senators’ motives.  And that, ladies and gentleman, is the biggest problem with the legislative process.

10:26  According to the approval graph, women are loving Biden while the men have apparently gotten up to get another beer.

10:24   Biden: I know mavericks, and John McCain is no MAVERICK ™!

10:23  Palin: “We have not got to allow the partisanship…”  DRINK!

10:22  Palin: McCain’s been a MAVERICK ™!

10:21  I’m surprised Biden didn’t soil himself forcing those tears.

10:18  Biden: Cheney is the most dangerous VP in history.

10:15  Palin: “John McCain has tapped me…”  Somewhere there’s a “Daily Show” writer who’s going to have to change his underpants.

10:14  Palin, on admitting she doesn’t know what a VP does: SIKE!

10:11  Palin: “Say it ain’t so, Joe…doggonnit…” Altering rules of the drinking game:  Drink when she’s adorable.

10:10  Palin: McCain and I don’t always agree because we’re MAVERICKS!(tm)

10:08  Biden: Something (God forbid) happens to Obama, I’ll continue his policy.  Can I have his baseball card collection, too?

10:06  Biden: McCain and Dick Cheney, BFFs when it comes to gettin’ their war on.

10:03  Palin: “It’s so obvious I’m a Washington outsider…”  Dimples ACTIVATE!

10:00  Biden’s rambling again.  Somebody shoot him with a Coherency Dart.

9:56  Palin: Nuclear weaponry would be the “be-all, end-all of just too many people and parts of our planet”. What about “the Iraq, such as maps?”

9:52  Palin getting a little shaky with her diplomacy talk.  DRINK!

9:50 The focus group approval graph is liking what Biden’s serving up regarding diplomacy.

9:49  Palin droppin’ names: yeah, I was chillin’ with Henry Kissinger.  And?

9:45  Question:  Greatest threat to America: Pakistan or a nuclear Iran.  Or…a world without Jack Bauer.

9:43  Surge talk from Palin.  We were right.  In your face, JoBi!  Biden laughs pleasantly when she starts attacking his record, like a Grandpa watching his grandkids play in the backyard.

9:40  What a difference in this debate from the presidential - both candidates giving props to each other.  Markedly more congenial.  Almost as if they were friends talking politics over a couple of Molsons.

9:39  Neither supports redefining marriage.  Shout out to the Bible Belt, homies.  Holla.

9:36  Question: same sex benefits to couples?  Trouble ahead for Palin here?

9:33  Biden: China burns dirty coal.  Dirty, filthy, pervy coal.

9:32  Biden on global warming: Oh, it’s definitely man-made.  My bad, planet.

9:30  Palin on global warming: I’m not going to attribute every activity of man to it–God should get a co-starring role?

9:28  Biden: “John McCain said, quote, I’m paraphrasing…”  Does that mean I have to spit my sip back up because it cancels Palin’s nonsense out?

9:27  Palin: “…more revelations made aware…” DRINK!

9:24 Disappointed.  Haven’t had the chance to play the drinking game yet.  Palin’s lucid.  Biden’s affable.  Damn.

9:22  Biden really stares down Palin.  Like the creepy guy with the van who scopes the playground.

9:20  The Audience Approval graph goes down when Biden rambles.  It’s more like an Audience Understanding graph. But he did get a good Bridge to Nowhere dig in.  You ol’ codger, you.

9:19  Palin: Let the private sector grow without government intervention.  Just like it’s been doing over the past few—DOH!

9:17  Biden: Under Obama’s plan wealthy will pay no more in taxes than they did under Reagan.

9:16 Whenever Biden says “middle class”, the focus group approval graph goes through the roof.

9:14  Biden to Palin: Liar, and you didn’t answer questions about oversight and regulation.  Palin doesn’t want to talk about that: she wants to talk about taxes, and said she’s going to answer questions during this debate the way she feels like.

9:12  Palin gives Biden an uppercut: you and Obama tax the heck out of us, dontcha know.

9:09  Biden challenges McCain’s claim that he’s been keeping an eye on those money guys.  New glasses?

9:08  American workforce the best in the world according to Palin.  Shhh.  Don’t tell India.  She said “maverick.”  Only took 9 minutes.  And “Darn right, it’s the predatory lenders” to blame for the mess we’re in.

9:07  Biden has friends?  On both sides of the aisle?  Color me surprised.

9:05  Palin: Go to a soccer game and ask people what they think of the economy.  She said “betcha.”  Cute points skyrocket.

9:04  Biden: Bush Administration economic policy awful.  Reiterating Obama’s must-have tenets of a decent bail-out plan–let’s give love to the middle class.

9:03  “Can I call you Joe.”  Oh, Sarah!  You!

 

Pre-Game on CNN:

8:17  CNN wonks are cautioning Biden to go gentle with Palin because she’s a woman.  And so it begins.  Should we leave chocolate and an Erma Bombeck book under her podium, too?

8:28  The touch screen TV they use on CNN is “Minority Report” meets Microsoft Paint.

8:31  CNN is flashing fun facts on the screen periodically: Biden had a brain aneurysm in 1980.  Hoping they tell us what his favorite food is–fingers crossed for apple pie.

8:34  Ed Rollins just praised Palin’s communication skills.  Was he watching the same Couric interview the rest of us were?

8:40  Fact check the candidates’ responses here.  Watch video of a guy falling off a ladder here.

8:46  Jeffrey Toobin says “forget the economy…[Palin] has to prove she can speak in a normal English sentence.”

8:51  Questions about Gwen Iffil’s impartiality from the CNN panel: They all agree her book/views won’t impact her job tonight.

8:53  Soledad O’Brien reporting from Ohio at a focus group.  That’s about what it would take to get me to visit Ohio.

8:57  Interesting.  The focus group will provide real-time feedback charting the participants’ reaction to the candidates.

 


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27 responses.

  1. I think I'd like the video version of this. Kindof like MST 3000, minus the robots.

  2. Or we could do it with cats...as a tribute to you Anne.

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  3. 10:28 Biden: I don’t question Senators’ motives.

    ----snip----

    I don't mean to ruin your stage act, but did you actually listen to the rest of his statement? It made sense...just sayin.

    He'll be here all weAk folks...don't forget to tip your waitress.

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  4. ycktr:
    Yes. I did listen. And I've just listened to it again. Nowhere did he make any qualifying statements about questioning motives. Throwing an anecdote out about adopting kids with braces doesn't preclude someone from criticism.

    It seemed like a blank check of trust to me.

  5. was it me or did it take 45 minuts or so for either one to answer a damn question! they would just start their response then talk about whatever the hell tey wanted to! And they weren't debating each other, they were debting the other's presidential nominee. At least in 2004, Edwards and Cheney debated each other...

    Biden: competent unwavering in his words, even with claims of flip flopping to line up with his candidate.
    but also condescending... flashed cheesy fake smiles, one time saying 'well, it's complicaed..." then went around the damn question. Hey man, it may be complicated but I'm a 'think-for-yourselfer" so lay it down for me nd I may just understand.

    Palin: surprisingly competent. Kept negative focus on Bush administration and this campaign's differences (as expected) Constantly looked in the camera AT the American people... something Biden did off and on so you know hispeople kept telling him to do it... while instinct told him to look at the moderator.
    but... way too many 'umms." She's supposed to speak for a living, right? Really? Word of the day? "Maverick." Hey, he was my favorite in Top Gun, too!

  6. He said he doesn't question motives...he questions judgement. The statement was meant to illustrate how he's grown as person and a professional. Don't read so much into it. I think we would ALL benefit if we focused more on judgement and less on perceived motives.

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  7. Motives and judgment are inseparable, philosophically.

  8. You're missing the point. He was saying that the important part to focus on (as the intervening party) is the judgement. Focusing solely on motives does not contribute to intervening on potentially bad judgement.

    And motives and judgement can be mutually exclusive in my opinion. But I'd love to hear your arguement to the contrary.

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  9. What he's saying has been status quo in Washington for decades. And whether it's what he meant or not, there's universal truth to it--that's the overarching point I'm trying to make.

    And on motivation/judgment: Everything we do is driven by motive, whether that motive be hunger or desperation. Judgment is deciding to act on that motive, to make a sandwich or wait until dinner, to hide children's bodies in a freezer or turn yourself into the police.

    You cannot have one without the other. I'm curious to hear how they could possibly be divided.

  10. Motivation: I'm hungry

    Judgement of Person 1: I should make a sandwich
    Judgement of Person 2: I should steal a sandwich
    Judgement of Person 3: **** the sandwich, I'd rather starve

    All three judgements are built on the same motivation...hunger. However, if you just focus on the motivation...you'll be too busy to see that Person 2 has just stolen your sandwich. Then you end starving like Person 3...and the origninal motivation (hunger) wasn't even associated with you at all.

    I don't know about you...but of the three hungry people in my example...I'm much more concerned about the judgement of person 2 than the universal need for food shared by all three.

    Let's translate that into something political. Pro-lifers are motivated by their opinion on abortion. They picket, leaflet, and sometimes even make a stink at clinics. If I'm a clinic doctor, I'm not worried about their motivation...I'm worried about the judgement of that one person that decides to bomb the clinic. Although that person's motivation was probably similar to the rest of his cohort...his judgement, discrete from his motivation, is what might get me killed.

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  11. BTW....whomever did Palin's make-up should be shot. It looked like someone punched her in both cheeks - and I'm pretty sure you could have carved your initials into the foundation on her forehead.

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  12. Motives can also be laced with malice, though. Hate is a motive. Jealousy is a motive. I won't argue that motive and judgment can be equally evil--but they're not mutually exclusive. One is the stimulus, the other is the thought process that drives reaction to that stimulus.

    So how about Biden question both and we call it a draw?

  13. Deal.

    See folks, I can be reasonable. Except when I'm not.

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  14. Only: Really isn't that their goal--to show that they can be a competetnt proxy for their running mates'? When I cast my vote, the VP will factor little in my decision.

    They spend most of their time smiling for pictures, meeting with B-list political leaders, and hoping to hell the bad guys have bad aim.

  15. Two words: Dick Cheney.

    This election season people are paying much closer attention to the VP for two reasons. They've seen how much power the VP can potentially weild (Dick cheney) and unfortunately the potantial for Obama or McCain to die in office is much more of a reality than in previous elections.

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  16. Dick Cheney is a phenomenon unto himself. It's apples and oranges here. Neither VP candidate packs that much gravitas; certainly neither operates with as flexible a conscience as Cheney.

    But your point about the potentially short shelf life of either president is a good one. I sincerely hope our country has moved past the "James Earl Ray solution."

  17. Me too...but I think it's definitely on people's minds.

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  18. certainly neither operates with as flexible a conscience as Cheney

    ----snip----

    Don't underestimate Palin. She has a look in her eyes that I find very concerning.

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  19. Funny because I see that look as being one of hair-twirling, gum chewing confusion.

    As one pundit put it, managing not to fall off the stage was a moral victory for Palin.

  20. I'll admit, I was hoping for her to unzip her fake human skin or at least barf a little in her purse.

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  21. hey McDermott... you're new here, so you'll get a pass but I am ycktr's foil here, and him mine. :-)

    What I meant about the VP's is that in previous years, we very much got a sense of who the VP candidate was and they debated one another's politics. Edwards infamously mentioning Cheney's lesbian daughter. Last night all I heard was McCain and Obama... puppets. No mistake here, this was a presidential debate, not a VP debate.

    As has been mentioned here, though, the possibility of the president passing away this next term is real, whether it be natural or not. But when I think of it, if no one has gone after Bush, maybe we have moved on past the 'James Earl Ray" solution. That's not meant as a joke, either. Emotions have run very high these last 8 years, starting with the Florida recounts and throughout the war.

  22. No need to pass, only1. Lemme have it if there's something to be had.

    This was very much a presidential debate. I won't argue that at all. In fact, I'd say it was a necessity for both to focus on their running mate's platforms. Biden had to do it to take spotlight off of his politics-as-usual record in Washington; Palin had to focus on McCain because there's very little substance there outside of some folksy gosh-darnits and her GILF ethos.

  23. Well, here's the thing we need to remember... they're BOTH politicians, making them both full of crap.
    ;-)
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check

  24. Being full of crap is prerequisite for public office. That's the way the game is played, and we, the public, are partly to blame for perpetuating it. We expect politicians to be all things to all people.

    It's impossible, but they try their damnedest to do it anyway. Being full of crap is how they make it work.

  25. Speak for yourself - not all of us expect them to be all things to all people. Some of us just expect them to keep promises, and help provide a healthy future.

    Honestly I think attitudes like the one you just expressed perpetuate the cycle.

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  26. It's more observation than attitude. But you're right: not everyone expects them to be all things to all people; but I'd argue that a majority do. The fact that they're in office (and remain) is a testament to that.

    When politicians buck the system--particularly when they are forced to make unpopular but appropriate decisions--it usually doesn't end well for them.

  27. I've enjoyed the previous repartee, and may have even learned a thing or two about this presidential race following these posts. Neither candidate floats my boat. In the meantime, I'm voting for Hillary.